|85. Chris Booth - 2012-05-25 15:32:00|
|Thank you Stephen, Yes I have noticed changes, and have had this quick drying problem a few years ago, and Breakwells suplied another tin which was fine, but this time they did not sem to want to know, just said it had been re formulated for safety reasons! I will talk to Avenue, for the time being I have had to say that it is o.k. for now. Will post again if I find out anything|
|84. Chris Booth - 2012-05-21 13:24:40|
|As a Tekaloid user of some 30 years, mainly painting Morgan 3 wheelers. I am very disapointed to find that my current project has been difficult to paint with this product, which now dries MUCH too quickly (deep brunswick green) I have talked to the supplier Breakwells, who suggested that synthetic thinners be added, very little difference, except that the paint was now thinner. Owatrol Oil was suggested by another, and this improved the situation, but again with only something like a square foot covered, laying off resulted in the surface being dragged. result, brushmarks. ANY HELP
As you are a Tekaloid user for thirty years you should know that the Tekaloid paint formulation has changed over the years, since the introduction of Alkyd resins as opposed to Linseed oil, although Tekaloid enamel has a longer durable life than the old oil base but it is this resin that acts as a drier and actually decreases the brush flow time, adding a thinner can increase the drying time because some thinners also act as a drier and speed up the drying process, You have to add a retarder like Owatrol in order to slow down the drying process, this will be more apparent with certain colours, although I found Brunswick green to be ok last time I used it.
However it may be possible that Breakwells paint formulation was not quite up to spec, I believe the avenue group also manufacture Tekaloid, perhaps you can enquire from them.
As a solution although probably too late now you can add raw linseed oil (not boiled) to the paint as this will also slow down the drying and give you a longer open time to apply the paint.
|83. Charlie and Karl - 2012-04-07 12:18:56|
|Great info...thanks very much! Quick bit of info found for painting a VW Derby. ;-)|
|82. Stephen lowe - 2012-04-04 18:40:47|
|Fantastic site , so much info from someone who knows there stuff. thanks very much.|
|81. Guillermo Botero Oviedo - 2012-03-24 18:29:51|
|This page is awsome, and very usefull. You really did a great work !!!|
|80. David Lea-Wilson - 2012-01-08 16:28:00|
|<!--726543-->very helpful to an amateur. Wondered why a wooden century old showman’s caravan was peeling in several places despite having been repainted less than a year ago by the previous owner and I was able to deuce that the wood wasn’t dry enough. Now to decide whether to take off all the exterior paint or just let it dry in a barn and see when the peeling stops and whether that will let out the moisture. Lots of useful info as previous owner stripped the inside and left it bare wood so I will learn from all your experience. Amazed that so much help is given so freely. Thank you.|
|79. David - 2011-12-21 00:06:49|
|Excellent site. I own a 1935 Austin in Royal Blue with Black wings. The body was painted about 20 years ago and now needs work. No Rust just wear and tear. Cant get anybody to spray cellulose anywhere near Colchester where I live. Your site has given me lots of ideas.|
|78. Colin Rhodes - 2011-11-28 11:35:40|
|Your web site is going to be so useful in the coming months as we renovate our grandsons first car. Series 3 Landrover. Thank for all the information on Paints, Brushes and Techniques
|77. - 2011-10-28 20:03:42|
|Thanks so much for posting this great information about an"ART"
that is almost lost.I had heard of this method from some older body-men,when I was younger.They could not remember all the details.You have done a supreme job of filling -in all the gaps,from start-to-finish!
|76. DAVID NORBURY - 2011-09-17 13:46:00|
|Thank you for the great information on your web site helped us a lot looking for paint when doing landrover and classic car rebuilds
Bowdell Garage 4x4s Ltd
|75. lee - 2011-07-28 19:53:53|
|how is the best way to cover up when gloss the grains in the wood thanks|
|74. Amanda - 2011-05-26 15:11:34|
I am amazed and very impressed with your site! I Googled landrover painting and paint - never expecting to find such an impressive and informative site!
I have yet to read it all - but what I do know is that it is possible with some care and hard work to paint my landrover!
I have a question and hope you dont mind me asking via the guest book section as the email link is not working for me when I click on it..
I am starting a new business rearing and breeding free range pigs and want to paint my landrover pink and brown and then paint my company name on it. So I would like to know what colours you think I could mix to make a bright mid pink colour please!? Bet you have never been asked that before!
Do hope you can help, I am off back now to learn more about coach painting from your fantastic site!
|73. Howard Gregory - 2011-05-05 21:35:46|
|You have created a very informative website, thank you. I have already brush painted my Series 1 and achieved a fair standard, this was from watching coach painters where I served my apprenticeship as a Motor Vehicle Fitter - Manchester Corporation Transport Department. I, obviously like you, benefitted from a ’proper’ apprenticeship with real craftsmen. sadly I think such training is now a thing of the past.
I am just about to embark on painting a Land Rover 130 camper which I have built.
Thank you once again,
Kind regards, Howard
|72. sam - 2011-02-09 13:23:12|
|A big thank you for a great website.
|71. Paul Doyle - 2010-12-06 01:57:59|
|how about a coca cola in the Fox n Hounds one Sunday night then? I could pick you up on the way past. tel 651 1723|
|70. Si Tolstone - 2010-10-26 12:35:22|
|You have helped me restoring an old BMX bike.
If you would like to see pictures please let me know, I’ll be happy to share! =)
|69. Adam - 2010-10-06 21:31:25|
|Thanks Steve for painting my Mercedes Benz S Class, you have transformed it from being a patchwork of different shades to a car I feel very proud to drive
All the best,
My pleasure Adam, Cheers
|68. Richard Campbell - 2010-09-05 18:48:19|
|Hello Stephen, What an interesting and informative website,I have been all through it and found so much in it I did not know about. My particular interest is restoring classic motorbikes, and I have just finished a BSA A10. I confess to having the frame powder coated, but sprayed the other parts using cellulose. I am now working on a pre war OK supreme, after reading your site, I feel coach paint is the way to go.I will buy some decent brushes and start practicing. A whole new interest! Many thanks. Ric.
|67. Marcus Angell - 2010-05-03 21:34:03|
|Hi Stephen, what a great site, thanks for writing it. I need to read it fully yet but it has already helped me confirm that my 1965 Series IIA is Marine Blue. Now all I need to do it decide whether to spray it, or use rollers or brushes.
One question. I can’t find any reference to what the correct colour for the wheels is. I know they’re off white and some people have called that Old English White but I have found loads of different shades. Any ideas?
This colour would be Limestone LRC.007
|66. tony norbury - 2010-03-11 00:09:59|
|thanks steve for loads of useful info. i;ve now painted my van using gloss rollers and people are amazed its not sprayed.
recommended you on a couple of forums i belong to, hope you don’t mind thanks again
I don’t mind, cheers.
|65. Pete Nichols - 2010-02-26 16:51:33|
|After reading this site the old landie`s in for a face lift. Had wanted to tackle it for a while as I`ve been a vehicle builder since left school, 20yrs ago but was unsure how to get a decent finish without using the spraying facilities. Great info . Thanks.
|64. Nick - 2010-02-05 14:39:11|
|A model web site. Clear, concise and easy to use. How refreshing. I now feel able to reliably pick a colour for repainting my 88 with Tekaloid - sounds good stuff.
|63. Peter Large - 2009-12-12 22:59:50|
|Can’t help but be inspired. Will leave the compressor off when I start restoring my 1952 O Type Bedford truck. Have purchased a couple of Hamilton brushes and will have a go with Tekloid. Will be putting photos on CC forum, First Bedford user name.
|62. Nigel Mottershead - 2009-11-11 12:12:12|
|Great site and I found it very useful and informative so thanks for taking the time to set it up. Maybe you can also help me - I am also in Cheshire and need to get some paint for my 1950 Series 1 Land Rover. Tekaloid seems to be the stuff, but I cannot decide if it should be Bronze Green, Mid bronze green or Deep Bronze Green - any ideas? Thanks again for the site. Best regards, Nigel Mottershead|
|61. Michael Hull - 2009-08-25 19:29:44|
|<!--884643-->Very informative website dad.
You explained everything with great detail, and you show your great knowledge of the coach-painting world very well.
I did not realise that so many steps where required with painting, and I did not realise that there were quite so many different shades of colours.
Also I think I have grown on a bit now from 7 now though haven’t I.
Thanks Son, Dad
|60. Dennis - 2009-07-12 13:18:10|
I used the Tekaloid as recommended - a very forgiving paint. I didn’t have the skill to brush paint my landy so I used a roller - The finish was superb.
I have a WT Sanker to paint next so I’m going to practice with the brush
|59. martin chaloner - 2009-05-15 16:56:12|
|hi, this is a fantastic sight, i run my own business in worcester painting landrovers from series 123 and defenders and this sight has been very helpful on finding out colour codes keep up the good work|
|58. Paul Doyle - 2009-04-29 11:26:17|
|Arright Ace, howz it goin’?
|57. Simon Baverstock - 2009-03-26 19:24:30|
|A very helpful, interesting and informative site, with a wonderful wealth of experience too. My Series 2 Landy has just come out of a barn and is on its way to renovation; the bodywork looked rough but will benefit from all I have learnt here.
|56. Greg Brown - 2009-02-18 21:00:21|
|I am so pleased to have found your site. My father was a very skilled coach painter, and I picked up some of his skills which I last used in around 1985 to paint the cab of a truck. Anyway, I have just bought an ’89 Landrover which is going to be undergoing some remedial treatments including a new paintjob, which is how I found your site - searching for Landrover paint codes.
Well, I got more than I bargained for - a complete refresher course!
This site is a first class resource, I, and I am sure many others, really appreciate what you have done here.
|55. Martin Whitlock - 2009-02-06 17:20:06|
|Thanks for the site. I have sprayed quite a few classic cars in the past but I have just repainted a 1914 Chater lea using the methods described on your site. thanks again for all the help your site provided|
|54. Gary - 2009-01-28 09:35:09|
Congratulations on your website. I began my working life in 1977 in the Technical Services Department of Thornley & Knight, Bordesley Green, Birmingham. TK were the manufacturers of Tekaloid et al. I left the company in August 1979 to join the Fire Service. This was not long after ’Croda Paints’ took over the business. I am currently researching the history of TK for a website of my own and which will chart the rise of TK in the 1700’s untill the business was sold to Croda in 1978. I still have a number of items associated with TK including some original paint tins and colour swatches.
Please get in touch, I have some information on TK
|53. mike - 2008-12-07 21:42:10|
I have pointed a few "would be sprayers" here too.
|52. Rob Lawson - 2008-11-16 23:39:58|
|Very nice site
one to keep in the favourites for when advice is required.
thank you rob
|50. justiniano - 2008-10-29 04:41:05|
|Its Like a Wikepedia of Paint Colors.
de lira justiniano
|49. - 2008-10-27 09:50:26|
|Thanks for putting this site on the internet. It has helped me considerably with painting various ’bits’ on my Range Rover classic 1993 model. Without this site I would have normally have approached painting with spray paints - with all the incumbent complications, especially when dealing with local rust spots etc. Regards Steve.
Glad the info has helped you
|48. Glen - 2008-09-24 16:06:45|
|Excellent and informative site, thank you for making this freely available to help people!
|47. George - 2008-08-26 20:12:08|
|Great site. Just starting to do a repaint on a series 3 and you have helped enormously. Cheers
|46. Stephen - 2008-06-25 00:13:44|
|<!--772736-->Great site, but I was wondering if you had any opinions on this method?
[url]<a rel=’nofollow’ href=’http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/body/hrdp_0707_1962_ford_falcon_budget_paint_
Also I’m a bit confused about varnish. Why is it needed? Is it basically lacquer
that you put over the top of the paint or is it mixed into the paint to give it shine? Basically
could it be used with the dull paint used in the link I’ve shown to give it more shine?
Applying various forms of a particular synthetic paint has been around for over a century and this method is referred to as coach painting, which is always associated with applying paint with a brush, albeit more skillful than using a roller, however a roller can achieve very satisfactory results.
The old traditional oil based paint relied on linseed oil as the main medium, nowadays this has been replaced with Alkyd resins which are more durable, tougher and longer lasting.
You could not flat and buff linseed oil paint finishes like you can with Alkyds and the polishing method still does not compare to vehicle/auto paint finishes like acrylic, cellulose or twin-packs.
I think in the US you call twin-pack paint, Urethane.
When painting horse-drawn coaches the trade (coach painting) was at its peak during the 1880s and the paint used was nearly always called a coach enamel.
A traditional coach enamel is high in oil yet low on pigment which gave the unique finish associated with brush-work without any brush-marks showing.
Rustoleum is a similar enamel but it is NOT coach paint which is a slower drying finish, Rustoleum is a faster drying machine enamel probably not suitable for brush-work but adequate for roller finishing.
Some linseed oil based paints required a coat of varnish to unsure maximum durability, either over or mixed into the paint, varnish is a bit like a lacquer in the sense that its clear and goes over the top of a finish, Alkyd resin based paints do not require a coat of varnish to add protection, its simply not needed.
Varnish can be applied to a flatted coloured finish the result would be a superior gloss, in fact this is how some varnishing was used to varnish over gold leaf lettering or to simply make a dull surface shine, but it would not help a faded finish it will only enhance the colour to a shine.
|45. - 2008-06-16 03:58:23|
|could you let me know where we can get Tractol BA77R01?
Try the avenue group for Tractol paint.
|44. catweasel - 2008-06-12 14:14:02|
|Great site. Thanks for your time and trouble.
|43. RobsyUK - 2008-06-01 19:04:20|
|<!--745662-->Your site is brilliant. It has helped out alot.
|42. graham - 2008-04-28 20:37:21|
|great site took me back a while served my time in the sixties great to see people like yourself still putting the time in to produce a outstanding finish and passing on information.
|41. drew patton - 2008-04-19 17:54:02|
|Hi.Looking to source lining quils,b rushes, served my time 35 years ago, been doing this job all my life, currently working with paint robots for an OEM, worked in South Africa for 25 years,served my time in Stewarts Coachworks Wishaw Scotland, great site,well done!
|40. tony - 2008-03-10 17:10:46|
i’m just about to embark on my motorhome conversion and your site has given me excellent advice, i’ve been in touch with turners in cannock(who said many thanks for the link and will be sending you an e-mail sometime)i’m goin’ over this friday for advice and to get my paint! so once again many thanx for an excellent site
and very helpful they are too
|39. dan finnimore - 2008-02-15 21:27:40|
What a great website and good information. I was unsure how to paint my smilie face transit but am now going to use tekaloid. I did use it before on a landrover but painted horizontally with a cheap brush, also many years ago on a ford corsair, got a good finish on the corsair wing
|38. Jon Hodder - 2008-01-29 20:31:47|
|What a great,well thought out and comprehensive site you have created.A geniune act of generosity.I am about to paint my 1969 citroen H van.Thanks for all the useful info.Kind regards,Jon.
|37. m c d whitworth - 2007-12-19 08:56:57|
|Hi there, great to find a site that helps DIYers,
I am thinking of painting my camper van by hand
instead of spraying it, as I have done in the past, what type of paint do you recommend for the base coat and top coat, also do you recommend a clear varnish finish.
Great site. thanks tourer35
You will need a synthetic (Alkyd) coach paint.
Turners Trade Paints Tel: 01543 577168 or the Avenue group Tel: 01753 686 888 both stock coach enamels.
If you want to use Tekaloid coach enamel I would recommend "Tekaloid multi surface elastic oil primer BC14" and "Tekaloid BC19 High sheen undercoat", for gloss "Tekaloid BG18 Single Pack Alkyd Coach Enamel", available from the avenue group.
Or the equivalent coach enamel can be ordered from Turners Trade Paints.
You do NOT need to over varnish modern Alkyd enamels as they are far more durable than the old Linseed oil based paints.
|36. Adarsh Varma - 2007-11-28 06:13:27|
|Good collection of info. Usefull and handy. Adarsh Varma, India
|35. bill old bugger - 2007-11-20 08:48:41|
|hi Stephen thank you i will be able to play now you have a great site not many gentlemen left, bill noble
|34. Chico - 2007-11-17 01:33:36|
| Hey man thanx soooo much 4 the site . I’m a car & truck nut , and I’ve never heard of coach painting ,
I have an old truck I may experiment on if I can afford the paint . My money is funny now so mayb I can save some and paint my truck by hand. Any suggestions ? I’m on a very limited budget . I’m thinking mayb priming now and painting in spring . Will u tell me all u can on priming b 4 painting . I have a feeling the material are expensive.
Thanx again sooo much, it’s very nice of u.
I would not recommend priming and leaving until the spring, primer is porous and does not offer protection unpainted.
If you plan on brush painting use a synthetic base, Rustoleum, or Larcanoid may suffice as I do not think traditional coach paint is available in the USA.
Synthetic paints are cheap and brushing is even cheaper (there is no paint wastage or over spray)
I am not aware of what paints are available over there so cannot really advise on what paint types to use etc, sorry.
|33. Brian Holohan - Dublin - 2007-11-07 10:11:12|
Your site was a great help to me in comparing a RAL colour with a BS colour to paint some electrical panels for a project in the Middle East.
|32. Brian COCKBURN - 2007-11-02 06:26:13|
I was looking for information on RAL colours and came upon your website. You site answered my immediate query & I have bookmarked it for future return. Excellent website, very interesting, many thanks for passing on to others your massive experience on coatings application. Kind regards,
|31. Bala G Tilak - 2007-10-31 08:24:47|
|Very useful information for engineers who have no eye for colors, but need to comply the requirements.
|30. GEORGE EDMUNDSON - 2007-10-24 19:59:45|
|Just about to start coach painting a 1986 elddis autostratus thanks to your web page i feel a lot more confidant BUT could i send you a email if i need any further help.
Thanks alot George
You can email me if you like
|29. Gideon Watt - 2007-10-08 06:44:28|
|Possibly the most useful webb site I have found on the net in years. Well done.
|28. shaun Tranter - 2007-10-06 21:42:30|
|congratulations on your web site I fould it most interesting and useful as I am restoring a S11A swb landrover and I was going to spay it with 2 pack arc ( as I did before to another landrover) how does the price compare with 2 pack acrylic paint,regards shaun. P.S. keep up the good work.
Two-pack is expensive and controlled by legislation, you can’t spray this stuff at home because it contains isocyanate.
Spraying twin-pack paint needs specialist equipment and it is recommended that you use an air fed mask to protect your lungs.
I’d stick with a cheap safe synthetic paint especially on a Land Rover.
|27. Bob Finch - 2007-10-04 22:39:17|
|I’m rebuilding an old VW camper, just looking for info. This site is just what I needed, I shall recomend to anyone I think will be interested .
|26. torby papierowe - 2007-10-04 19:35:40|
|I rejuice I stopped by this site, really interesting, congratulations!
Your site is special!
Thank you for your work.
|25. matt - 2007-09-23 20:28:41|
|24. Andy - 2007-09-17 21:38:40|
|Great site, well done. That finish on the Land Rover is incredible. I am a bit confused about the laying off technique when brushing, it would be great to have some photos or even a video to illustrate the technique.
I have considered this but don’t have the time
|23. Robert - 2007-09-12 09:00:35|
I was looking for RAL codes and came upon your site. What a jewel of a site. Thank you. No doubt jewel is a description of your character. Rob
Thank you Rob
|22. Handyman London - 2007-09-11 20:18:22|
|This site is the best site ever its got every thing on it. Thank You for this important work! Great web site.
|21. Nick Jones - 2007-09-05 14:26:08|
|Many thanks for creating such a useful site and for the subsequent help. Very much appreciated.
|20. Graham Beatty - 2007-08-11 22:45:30|
|Thanks for information , do you know any paint that is similar to Dynorod paint in terms of luminescance?
The guestbook is not the best place to ask for paint related information, my email address is for paint enquires.
If you visit your local paint factor, they have all the current paint swatches to view, you can then choose exactly what colour you require.
|19. Jim - 2007-08-06 19:41:12|
Fascinating (to me anyway) information here. There is a popular "do-it-yourself" method of painting old cars here in the U.S. that uses Rustoleum paint, mineral spirits, and foam rollers to apply the thinned paint, which then self-levels if you thin it enough. I was having all kinds of trouble with roller marks... read up on your stuff, bought a Purdy paint brush, and it looks just fine. For some reason it seemed funny to me that I got a better finish painting with a brush than any other way. So thanks for the information. Have you any knowledge of a coach paint sold in the U.S.? I haven’t found such an animal here... I guess that’s what we get for revolting years ago. Cheers!
Replied via email
|18. Brian - 2007-08-06 13:19:02|
|Your easy to use website is a breath of fresh air. I work for the MOD and now use your site as the starting point for RAL colours. The other info will undoubtably get used when I paint my classic! Cheers Brian R
Glad you found the site useful
|17. Paul Doyle - 2007-07-30 00:12:51|
fancy a pint up the Narv some night?
Hi Paul, I do not drink anymore
|16. Kredyty - 2007-07-25 21:27:54|
|Thanks so very much for taking your time to create this very useful and informative site.
|15. Andy - 2007-07-18 03:10:34|
|Great info on here!
I have a Mercedes Vito van in need of paint job and had heard about the rust-oleum paint in the USA which can be applied with small glossing rollers but has to be thinned to a milky consistancy and 8 - 10 coats applied without using undercoats etc,so a lot of work,so glad to know here in the UK we have a better alternative hopefully!!
Does anyone stock TEKALOID in Scotland?
You can buy Tekaloid from the avenue group via mail order,
Telephone them on 01753 686 888.
|14. Simon Cialis - 2007-07-14 20:42:40|
|Very nice homepage, I enjoyed it a lot. Thanks. Good idea to do the web this way. Congratulations for your web.
|13. torby papierowe - 2007-06-27 22:14:25|
|I rejoice I stopped by this site, really interesting, congratulations!
Your site is special!
Thank you for your work.
|12. Steve - 2007-05-25 08:51:55|
i’m doing a foundation course and one of the modules is Paint technology. i’ve been in the trade for 26 years, but i’ve only used 2 pack. your site has been a great sourse of info.
thanks Steve G
|11. lee gingell - 2007-04-18 12:22:45|
|living in oz and i cant get a good pure bristle brush,love hamilton help,after 30 years in uk its hard to let go of quality brushes and have to put up with the oz DIY constrution industry and tools.
Still I think I’d rather live in oz than in old blighty
|10. David - 2007-04-04 15:09:56|
|Excellent site full of very useful information. Have just completed coach painting my vintage car and found your guide really helpful. Thank you
Thank you too
|9. Freddie Cooke - 2007-04-01 22:25:42|
|Dear Stephen, Many thanks for the invaluble information I found on your site. I am hoping to restore the coachwork on my narrow boat using tekaloid or similar paint and your information and links will be a great help.
Best wishes, Freddie. NB Voyager of Wychbury.
|8. Ronald - 2007-03-27 14:42:04|
|Interesting site. I was looking for a new colour for my landrover.
|7. Max Underhill - 2007-03-23 13:19:18|
|Thanks very much for your clear information i needed paint codes for my 90 rebuild and respray and would have been stuffed with out your site. Im going for bonitti grey metallic and alpine white roof on a station wagen.
|6. ains&angie - 2007-03-13 21:19:47|
|This site is a golden find,spending my retirment restoring a couple of Landies,early 90,and S3, paint has been a minefield but this has been so helpful,thank you for a great effort ,Rgds Ains
|5. Wax n Caro - 2007-03-13 17:21:43|
we are due to paint our lovely old beddy camper van with tekaloid.
your site is a goldmine of info...
thanks very much
|4. Brian Gough - 2007-03-05 16:42:51|
|I am renovating a 175 Bantam and two Corgi?s, found your technical info very helpful. I do have some spraying experience but lack in technical what will react with what.
|3. david - 2007-02-23 14:34:19|
|found your site info most interesting will let you know how the paint job on my 90 turns out.
Please do let me know
|2. Doug Joyce - 2007-02-09 09:39:43|
|Many thanks for the information on your site its helped with the re paint on my 1985 Range Rover.
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|1. paintboffin - 2007-01-19 23:12:26|
|BTinternet, my Internet Service Provider has decided to cancel their guestbook facility, so I have set up a new one here.